China-Russia vs US military tension rises in South China Sea
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It is just additional information and news analysis update with regard to our earlier blog posting: http://victorlim2016.blogspot.my/2016/09/china-russia-might-up-yours-to-us-in.html
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China can also lie, if this is routine then durians do not have a strong smell . This huge naval exercise will last about a week.
Commentary: Routine China-Russia joint naval drill no reason for fear mongering
Source: Xinhua | 2016-09-12 16:23:52 | Editor: huaxia
BEIJING, Sept. 12 (Xinhua) -- As China and Russia started on Monday an eight-day joint naval drill off the coast of south China's Guangdong Province, speculations are going rife that the military exercises are meant as a "sabre-rattling" event in theSouth China Sea."
Those susceptible to such speculations are either ill-informed about the fact that the joint naval drill has been an annual event since 2012 and that the ongoing drill takes place just off China's southern coast, or misled by their prejudice about China and Russia.
The drill, code-named "Joint Sea - 2016," comprises defense, rescue and anti-submarine operations, as well as island seizing activities, according to the Chinese Defense Ministry, which also said most of the Chinese soldiers participating in the event are from the South Sea Fleet.
A logical guess is that, for those who have bought the sensational claim regarding the drill, they probably only see words like "island seizing" and "South Sea Fleet" and start to imagine a war in the South China Sea.
They have fallen prey to the idea partly because earlier reports by Western news media almost unanimously wove some carefully chosen components into the background of the news of the China-Russia joint drill so as to deliver home a sensational impression.
By elaborating on a recent illegal South China Sea arbitration case pitting China against the Philippines, and perceived closer ties between Beijing and Moscow, such reports are intended to convince readers that China and Russia have enough motive to make the drill an occasion to flex military muscles against potential enemies.
However, the truth is that China and Russia have never wanted the routine drill to be a saber-rattling event but one that promotes maritime security and regional stability.
Unlike many other war games staged in the Asia-Pacific region, the joint drills focus on emergency response under multiple circumstances, instead of simulating an offensive against a third party.
The defensive nature of these maneuvers is in line with China's defence policy, which makes it clear that China will not be the first to strike. ' It may be true that growing military ties between Russia and China have irritated someone's sensitive nerves, but it is worth noting that excessive geo-political interpretation of a specific military drill is neither necessary nor justified.
China and Russia, both key players in global affairs, have a common interest in upholding peace in Asia and beyond, and they certainly welcome a constructive role by other stakeholders.
Leland Wong shared Martin Loh's post.
Just now
VN is an ungrateful and backstabbing country and can not be trusted, China does not need VN, VN needs China . They need to come back if they want to, on their knees.
Martin Loh
20 hrs
CHINA IS WINNING. AMERICA AND VIETNAM ARE LOSING. THE SCMP CANNOT HIDE THE TRUTH.
Poor editors of the SCMP. Trying to claim some victory of sorts for its sordid camp, in the light of the overwhelming triumph of China at the G20 in Hangzhou, a victory which came at the expense of exposing the US for the has-been that it has fast become of late.
There is almost a palpable feeling of panic among the gwailos working for the SCMP and their Indian and pinoy running dogs as they see their world shrink in response to China's rise. Long privileged by the fact that english is the operating language in HK, these people who are fronting Amarika's propaganda war never needed to learn how to speak Cantonese or Putonghua. Sucking the milk of HK has never prevented them from maligning both HK and China. But they are facing a nightmare. Soon the One Country will eclipse the Two Systems. Writing for a western audience, the SCMP.has never been truly a part of the real HK.
Where their social life is concerned, HK has long proved too expensive for these gwailo editors, whose salary probably can only rent them some dilapidated and faraway dump in the New Territory rather than HK island itself. The Suzie Wongs of Wanchai have long been out of their reach. As their substitute for gratification, those editors probably masturbate to some cheap porn acquired on their last visit to Shenzhen. Being gwailos, if they don't grow hairs on their palms, they'll probably die from alcohol, which I understand they start their day with as early as 9 in the morning.
Concerning the visit of the Vietnamese PM to China, there is really no need for the SCMP to spin such a long yarn. Recent events have induced the cadres of Ho Chi Minh to temporarily abandon their plans to gobble up Laos and Cambodia. Instead of regurgitating their tiresome 1000 years of anti-China struggle, the Vietnamese PM will no doubt be eating humble pie when he meets the leaders of China, and will be singing, instead, the benefits of 1001 years of Sino-Vietnamese trade, cultural exchange and intermarriage. One thing is for sure. You won't see the Vietnamese PM cutting his veins while in Beijing to rid himself of his Chinese blood.
Seriously, Vietnam has lost. I don't mean just the SCS where the PLA has hemmed both Vietnamese fishermen and sailors in their EZs. China has picked Laos over Vietnam to link its southwestern provinces with Nanyang. To reward the good cadres of Kaysone Phomvihane over the cadres of Ho Chi Minh in Beijing's grand Maritime Silk Route. This slap in the face of Hanoi must appear all the more painful when one considers that Laos is a country of 7 million while Vietnam has over 100 million people. While there will be Chinese lines running inside Vietnam, the fact is that the main Kunming to Bangkok line runs through Laos.
The decrepit editors of the SCMP, in their desire to put a smiling face to the diplomatic and political setback sustained by the western camp at Hangzhou forgot to mention that it is not only the position of the West which is receding, but also Vietnam's traditional (also known as the vile Ho Chi Minh stranglehold) domination of the good people of Laos and Cambodia that is being rolled back.
The question facing Vietnam’s PM on his first China visit: how close to get to Beijing
Nguyen Xuan Phuc is expected to push for deeper ties and better access to the mainland market, but back home he faces a public wary of the large neighbour, experts say
PUBLISHED : Saturday, 10 September, 2016, 10:15am
UPDATED : Sunday, 11 September, 2016, 1:35am
South China Sea code of conduct is essential for regional peace and stability
9 Sep 2016
War of words: China rebukes US and Japan over South China Sea as summit wraps up in Laos
8 Sep 2016
Vietnam’s Prime Minister Nguyen Xuan Phuc on Saturday started his first visit to China since taking office in April, a trip aimed at mending ties frayed by the South China Sea dispute.
Diplomatic observers say Phuc’s six-day trip, which comes on the heels of a similar visit by Vietnam’s defence minister Ngo Xuan Lich last week, shows the communist neighbours are slowly rebuilding trust despite simmering tensions over the maritime row.
Phuc said Vietnam remained concerned about North Korea’s nuclear missile programme, Xinhua reported.
Apart from meeting his Chinese counterpart Li Keqiang and other leaders in Beijing, Phuc is scheduled to attend a trade and investment summit involving China and the Association of Southeast Asian Nations in Nanning, Guangxi.
How Vietnam has kept China at bay over thousands of years
While Beijing wants to use the visit to take measure of Phuc’s new government, leaders in Hanoi are keen to maintain constructive relations with Beijing, even amid differences on the contested waters, according to Phuong Nguyen, an expert from the Washington-based Centre for Strategic and International Studies.
Professor Carl Thayer, of the University of New South Wales in Australia, said the current leadership of Vietnam, a key rival claimant to the waters, had sought to isolate the dispute from its broader relationship with China.
“China and Vietnam will reaffirm their comprehensive strategic cooperative partnership with a special stress on economic ties – trade and investment – and bilateral consultations on the South China Sea under the agreed basic principles guiding the settlement of maritime disputes,” Thayer said.
Vietnam is pressing China for greater access to its domestic market
CARL THAYER, PROFESSOR, UNIVERSITY OF NEW SOUTH WALES
Resolving Vietnam’s massive trade deficit with China is also expected to be high on Phuc’s agenda.
According to the Vietnam Chamber of Commerce and Industry, bilateral trade hit US$32.3 billion in the first six months of the year, up nearly 2 per cent year on year.
Of the total, Vietnam spent US$23.2 billion on imports from China, down 3 per cent year on year, and earned US$9.1 billion in exports to its largest trading partner, up 13.7 per cent from a year earlier.
“This cannot be resolved in the short term, but Vietnam is pressing China for greater access to its domestic market and better conditions for Vietnamese investment in China,” Thayer said.
Analysts noted bilateral ties had yet to fully recover from the diplomatic stand-off in 2014 over a Chinese deep-water oil rig deployed in the disputed waters.
“The oil rig crisis in 2014 severely damaged strategic trust between the two sides, and it’s difficult to go back to the way things were. But over the past year, Beijing and Hanoi have rebuilt high-level communication and stepped up confidence-building measures,” Nguyen said.
The two nations clashed over the Paracel Islands in the 1970s and fought a brief but bloody war over border disputes in 1979.
Hanoi is now on constant alert because of what it perceives as uncertainty surrounding future Chinese actions in the sea
PHUONG NGUYEN, CENTRE FOR STRATEGIC AND INTERNATIONAL STUDIES
“The bilateral relationship has stabilised, but Hanoi is now on constant alert because of what it perceives as uncertainty surrounding future Chinese actions in the sea. Besides the South China Sea, Hanoi also feels pressured by expanding Chinese political and economic influence in its two other immediate neighbours, Laos and Cambodia,” Nguyen said.
Joshua Kurlantzick, from the US-based Council on Foreign Relations, noted the international arbitration ruling on the maritime dispute, which denied China’s expansive claims, had cast fresh uncertainty over ties.
“Vietnam basically supported [the ruling], but the new Philippine president has not embraced the tribunal’s decision as much as his predecessor would, so I think that leaves Vietnam a little out in the open,” he said.
Beijing was certainly worried by Hanoi’s growing defence ties with Tokyo and New Delhi and the fact that Vietnam was now one of the biggest arms buyers in the world, Kulantzick said.
During his visit to Hanoi last week en route to the G20 Summit in Hangzhou, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi offered to provide a US$500 million loan for defence cooperation.
Analysts said the Vietnamese government was under domestic pressure to stand up to Beijing amid growing anti-Chinese sentiment at home.
“Since the 12th national party congress in January, Vietnam has become more forthright in stating its position even when it is at odds with China,” Thayer said.
Although China was Vietnam’s most important bilateral partner due to their common land and maritime border and close trade relationship, Vietnam did not want to be drawn into the orbit of any major power, Thayer said.
China ‘may need a rethink’ as Vietnam moves closer to US
“At the same time Vietnam wants all major powers to have equities in Vietnam and to remain engaged to balance other major powers,” he said. In a diplomatic balancing act to counter China, Phuc has already made trips to Russia and Japan.
Pushing back against China had formed the core of Vietnam’s national identity, Nguyen said.
“It takes enmeshing the US, Japan, India, and Russia in order for Vietnam to keep Chinese influence at bay,” she said. “Hanoi will continue to place emphasis on historical links between the two communist parties and show deference to Beijing, while keeping it on its toes by engaging increasingly with the West and rising Asian powers.”
This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as:
vietnam P.M. makes first visit to beijing”
Source: Xinhua | 2016-09-12 16:23:52 | Editor: huaxia
BEIJING, Sept. 12 (Xinhua) -- As China and Russia started on Monday an eight-day joint naval drill off the coast of south China's Guangdong Province, speculations are going rife that the military exercises are meant as a "sabre-rattling" event in theSouth China Sea."
Those susceptible to such speculations are either ill-informed about the fact that the joint naval drill has been an annual event since 2012 and that the ongoing drill takes place just off China's southern coast, or misled by their prejudice about China and Russia.
The drill, code-named "Joint Sea - 2016," comprises defense, rescue and anti-submarine operations, as well as island seizing activities, according to the Chinese Defense Ministry, which also said most of the Chinese soldiers participating in the event are from the South Sea Fleet.
A logical guess is that, for those who have bought the sensational claim regarding the drill, they probably only see words like "island seizing" and "South Sea Fleet" and start to imagine a war in the South China Sea.
They have fallen prey to the idea partly because earlier reports by Western news media almost unanimously wove some carefully chosen components into the background of the news of the China-Russia joint drill so as to deliver home a sensational impression.
By elaborating on a recent illegal South China Sea arbitration case pitting China against the Philippines, and perceived closer ties between Beijing and Moscow, such reports are intended to convince readers that China and Russia have enough motive to make the drill an occasion to flex military muscles against potential enemies.
However, the truth is that China and Russia have never wanted the routine drill to be a saber-rattling event but one that promotes maritime security and regional stability.
Unlike many other war games staged in the Asia-Pacific region, the joint drills focus on emergency response under multiple circumstances, instead of simulating an offensive against a third party.
The defensive nature of these maneuvers is in line with China's defence policy, which makes it clear that China will not be the first to strike. ' It may be true that growing military ties between Russia and China have irritated someone's sensitive nerves, but it is worth noting that excessive geo-political interpretation of a specific military drill is neither necessary nor justified.
China and Russia, both key players in global affairs, have a common interest in upholding peace in Asia and beyond, and they certainly welcome a constructive role by other stakeholders.
Leland Wong shared Martin Loh's post.
Just now
VN is an ungrateful and backstabbing country and can not be trusted, China does not need VN, VN needs China . They need to come back if they want to, on their knees.
Martin Loh
20 hrs
CHINA IS WINNING. AMERICA AND VIETNAM ARE LOSING. THE SCMP CANNOT HIDE THE TRUTH.
Poor editors of the SCMP. Trying to claim some victory of sorts for its sordid camp, in the light of the overwhelming triumph of China at the G20 in Hangzhou, a victory which came at the expense of exposing the US for the has-been that it has fast become of late.
There is almost a palpable feeling of panic among the gwailos working for the SCMP and their Indian and pinoy running dogs as they see their world shrink in response to China's rise. Long privileged by the fact that english is the operating language in HK, these people who are fronting Amarika's propaganda war never needed to learn how to speak Cantonese or Putonghua. Sucking the milk of HK has never prevented them from maligning both HK and China. But they are facing a nightmare. Soon the One Country will eclipse the Two Systems. Writing for a western audience, the SCMP.has never been truly a part of the real HK.
Where their social life is concerned, HK has long proved too expensive for these gwailo editors, whose salary probably can only rent them some dilapidated and faraway dump in the New Territory rather than HK island itself. The Suzie Wongs of Wanchai have long been out of their reach. As their substitute for gratification, those editors probably masturbate to some cheap porn acquired on their last visit to Shenzhen. Being gwailos, if they don't grow hairs on their palms, they'll probably die from alcohol, which I understand they start their day with as early as 9 in the morning.
Concerning the visit of the Vietnamese PM to China, there is really no need for the SCMP to spin such a long yarn. Recent events have induced the cadres of Ho Chi Minh to temporarily abandon their plans to gobble up Laos and Cambodia. Instead of regurgitating their tiresome 1000 years of anti-China struggle, the Vietnamese PM will no doubt be eating humble pie when he meets the leaders of China, and will be singing, instead, the benefits of 1001 years of Sino-Vietnamese trade, cultural exchange and intermarriage. One thing is for sure. You won't see the Vietnamese PM cutting his veins while in Beijing to rid himself of his Chinese blood.
Seriously, Vietnam has lost. I don't mean just the SCS where the PLA has hemmed both Vietnamese fishermen and sailors in their EZs. China has picked Laos over Vietnam to link its southwestern provinces with Nanyang. To reward the good cadres of Kaysone Phomvihane over the cadres of Ho Chi Minh in Beijing's grand Maritime Silk Route. This slap in the face of Hanoi must appear all the more painful when one considers that Laos is a country of 7 million while Vietnam has over 100 million people. While there will be Chinese lines running inside Vietnam, the fact is that the main Kunming to Bangkok line runs through Laos.
The decrepit editors of the SCMP, in their desire to put a smiling face to the diplomatic and political setback sustained by the western camp at Hangzhou forgot to mention that it is not only the position of the West which is receding, but also Vietnam's traditional (also known as the vile Ho Chi Minh stranglehold) domination of the good people of Laos and Cambodia that is being rolled back.
The question facing Vietnam’s PM on his first China visit: how close to get to Beijing
Nguyen Xuan Phuc is expected to push for deeper ties and better access to the mainland market, but back home he faces a public wary of the large neighbour, experts say
PUBLISHED : Saturday, 10 September, 2016, 10:15am
UPDATED : Sunday, 11 September, 2016, 1:35am
South China Sea code of conduct is essential for regional peace and stability
9 Sep 2016
War of words: China rebukes US and Japan over South China Sea as summit wraps up in Laos
8 Sep 2016
Vietnam’s Prime Minister Nguyen Xuan Phuc on Saturday started his first visit to China since taking office in April, a trip aimed at mending ties frayed by the South China Sea dispute.
Diplomatic observers say Phuc’s six-day trip, which comes on the heels of a similar visit by Vietnam’s defence minister Ngo Xuan Lich last week, shows the communist neighbours are slowly rebuilding trust despite simmering tensions over the maritime row.
Phuc said Vietnam remained concerned about North Korea’s nuclear missile programme, Xinhua reported.
Apart from meeting his Chinese counterpart Li Keqiang and other leaders in Beijing, Phuc is scheduled to attend a trade and investment summit involving China and the Association of Southeast Asian Nations in Nanning, Guangxi.
How Vietnam has kept China at bay over thousands of years
While Beijing wants to use the visit to take measure of Phuc’s new government, leaders in Hanoi are keen to maintain constructive relations with Beijing, even amid differences on the contested waters, according to Phuong Nguyen, an expert from the Washington-based Centre for Strategic and International Studies.
Professor Carl Thayer, of the University of New South Wales in Australia, said the current leadership of Vietnam, a key rival claimant to the waters, had sought to isolate the dispute from its broader relationship with China.
“China and Vietnam will reaffirm their comprehensive strategic cooperative partnership with a special stress on economic ties – trade and investment – and bilateral consultations on the South China Sea under the agreed basic principles guiding the settlement of maritime disputes,” Thayer said.
Vietnam is pressing China for greater access to its domestic market
CARL THAYER, PROFESSOR, UNIVERSITY OF NEW SOUTH WALES
Resolving Vietnam’s massive trade deficit with China is also expected to be high on Phuc’s agenda.
According to the Vietnam Chamber of Commerce and Industry, bilateral trade hit US$32.3 billion in the first six months of the year, up nearly 2 per cent year on year.
Of the total, Vietnam spent US$23.2 billion on imports from China, down 3 per cent year on year, and earned US$9.1 billion in exports to its largest trading partner, up 13.7 per cent from a year earlier.
“This cannot be resolved in the short term, but Vietnam is pressing China for greater access to its domestic market and better conditions for Vietnamese investment in China,” Thayer said.
Analysts noted bilateral ties had yet to fully recover from the diplomatic stand-off in 2014 over a Chinese deep-water oil rig deployed in the disputed waters.
“The oil rig crisis in 2014 severely damaged strategic trust between the two sides, and it’s difficult to go back to the way things were. But over the past year, Beijing and Hanoi have rebuilt high-level communication and stepped up confidence-building measures,” Nguyen said.
The two nations clashed over the Paracel Islands in the 1970s and fought a brief but bloody war over border disputes in 1979.
Hanoi is now on constant alert because of what it perceives as uncertainty surrounding future Chinese actions in the sea
PHUONG NGUYEN, CENTRE FOR STRATEGIC AND INTERNATIONAL STUDIES
“The bilateral relationship has stabilised, but Hanoi is now on constant alert because of what it perceives as uncertainty surrounding future Chinese actions in the sea. Besides the South China Sea, Hanoi also feels pressured by expanding Chinese political and economic influence in its two other immediate neighbours, Laos and Cambodia,” Nguyen said.
Joshua Kurlantzick, from the US-based Council on Foreign Relations, noted the international arbitration ruling on the maritime dispute, which denied China’s expansive claims, had cast fresh uncertainty over ties.
“Vietnam basically supported [the ruling], but the new Philippine president has not embraced the tribunal’s decision as much as his predecessor would, so I think that leaves Vietnam a little out in the open,” he said.
Beijing was certainly worried by Hanoi’s growing defence ties with Tokyo and New Delhi and the fact that Vietnam was now one of the biggest arms buyers in the world, Kulantzick said.
During his visit to Hanoi last week en route to the G20 Summit in Hangzhou, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi offered to provide a US$500 million loan for defence cooperation.
Analysts said the Vietnamese government was under domestic pressure to stand up to Beijing amid growing anti-Chinese sentiment at home.
“Since the 12th national party congress in January, Vietnam has become more forthright in stating its position even when it is at odds with China,” Thayer said.
Although China was Vietnam’s most important bilateral partner due to their common land and maritime border and close trade relationship, Vietnam did not want to be drawn into the orbit of any major power, Thayer said.
China ‘may need a rethink’ as Vietnam moves closer to US
“At the same time Vietnam wants all major powers to have equities in Vietnam and to remain engaged to balance other major powers,” he said. In a diplomatic balancing act to counter China, Phuc has already made trips to Russia and Japan.
Pushing back against China had formed the core of Vietnam’s national identity, Nguyen said.
“It takes enmeshing the US, Japan, India, and Russia in order for Vietnam to keep Chinese influence at bay,” she said. “Hanoi will continue to place emphasis on historical links between the two communist parties and show deference to Beijing, while keeping it on its toes by engaging increasingly with the West and rising Asian powers.”
This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as:
vietnam P.M. makes first visit to beijing”
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